sandy hook

[zack]

Sandy hook shooting officially happened on Dec 14th.
Here is a google search between Dec 11th-Dec 13th for "sandy hook donation".

https://www.google.com/search?q=sandy+hook+donations&biw=1301&bih=671&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A12%2F11%2F2012%2Ccd_max%3A12%2F13%2F2012&tbm=#q=sandy+hook&start=20&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:12/11/2012,cd_max:12/13/2012

Truthcoin can prevent future events like this, but it cannot fix past events like this, correct?

[psztorc]

I'm not sure what you mean.

Surely you don't believe that someone knew the shooting would happen, and then wrote a news article about that, days before? It would have itself been picked up as an amazing prognostication. Those results are probably errors (people typing in the wrong date), or pages which were published before Dec 14th and then edited afterwards.

I suppose Truthcoin could be used to demonstrate the presence or lack thereof of any future conspiracy. It could also say something like "it will be common knowledge to the people of 2020 that *whatever*", which could unravel past conspiracies.

[zack]

I thought it was a mistake too, but there are over 6 pages which started on the 11th instead of the 14th...

These 2 pages even have dates written on them.
http://jjie.org/sandy-hook-2/104733/
http://nawlee.org/announcements/sandy-hook.html
Perhaps the dates were purposefully written this way as a loop-hole around a gag order?
If I was ordered to write about a tragedy that occurs in the future, I would try to leave hints.

I looked into other shootings and tragedies. None of them have even a single page posted before the expected date. I looked into: UCSB shooting, Las Vegas shooting, Boston marathon bombing.

[psztorc]

Really, because this took two seconds: https://www.google.com/search?q=april+15+2013+boston+marathon+bombing&biw=1567&bih=855&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A4%2F7%2F2013%2Ccd_max%3A4%2F14%2F2013&tbm=#q=boston+marathon+bombing&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min:4%2F7%2F2013%2Ccd_max:4%2F14%2F2013

You are either holding one of two insane beliefs: that the shooting was planned, but didn't leak (which it would), or leaked in a stupid way (mis-labled dates on [unreliable] internet searches), or that the shooting didn't happen at all (which is, for all practical intents and purposes, impossible).

Leave hints?! Why not just publish a whole memo to wikileaks or something, with detailed documentation of everyone involved.

No one has ever cared about gag orders, as they never work. In a world you describe, court documents would be meaningless anyway. More reliable to just disappear the person with your magical cover-up powers.

I'm afraid its pure nonsense from beginning to end.

[martinBrown]

Maybe ConspiracyCoin should be a separate chain? Or will it work better as a branch on TruthCoin? 

[psztorc]

 

Running with that question seriously for a moment, it would probably make for a bad branch, because you're relying on the report of those interested in conspiracies (the Votecoin owners on that branch), who might themselves be (not necessarily) crazy.

However, the legitimate unraveling of conspiracies could reliably take place on their topic-specific branches.

[psztorc]

I think there is a market for ConspiracyCoin...it has features so great we can't even tell you about them.

Sounds like a coinmarketcap winner.

[gwern]

You are either holding one of two insane beliefs: that the shooting was planned, but didn't leak (which it would), or leaked in a stupid way (mis-labled dates on [unreliable] internet searches), or that the shooting didn't happen at all (which is, for all practical intents and purposes, impossible).

Highly unreliable. When I was researching various Google services and software products for my analysis in http://www.gwern.net/Google%20shutdowns , I made heavy use of the timeline restriction tool, and there were bogus search hits *all the time*. It was frustrating as heck.

People backdate posts, people forward date them, people remix posts... Pages had to be read very carefully, crosschecked against the Internet Archive, etc. You may ask 'why would anyone backdate a post about Sandy to before Sandy?' but there are literally hundreds of millions of people (many quite stupid or careless) out there messing around with stuff, all software has bugs, there's plenty of weird projects running for purposes which are arcane or totally opaque (I recently read about something like 50k videos uploaded to YouTube consisting of moving shapes; a modern-day numbers station? no, ultimately turned out to be just some DVR or consumer electronic testing out its video upload functionality), and over the hundreds of billions of webpages, there's all sorts of weird stuff.

[psztorc]

gwern I think you might have meant to quote zack there.

Maybe ConspiracyCoin should be a separate chain? Or will it work better as a branch on TruthCoin? 

Probably the only time I've been on bitcointalk this month, and I saw: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590841.0

[dhcmrlchtdi]

Holy crap this guy is dumb.

[ceci]

Holy crap this guy is dumb.

agreed. total nut.